Computer Age Management Services Ltd Q3 FY2025 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Revenue growth moderated, but the engine is intact: Revenue grew just short of 28% YoY, down from 32% last quarter, as capital markets activity softened. Non-MF revenue compressed to 22% growth, but management expects a quick return to 30%+ given the foundational building blocks already in place.
• Profitability hit a new high-water mark: EBITDA margin reached 47%, up 220 bps YoY, and PAT margin hit 32.6%, up 300 bps, driven by execution discipline and operating leverage even as the company invests heavily in technology, data centres, and talent.
• The competitive moat is widening, not shrinking: CAMS won all 3 MF-RTA mandates on offer, including Jio BlackRock, and secured its first-ever competitive migration mandate from an existing AMC at a rival RTA. Net registration share climbed to 64% from 60%.
• Yield compression is coming, but the impact is contained: Pricing adjustments on 1 or 2 large clients will play out over FY26, with the yield impact pegged at "much, much less than 0.1 bps" on the overall book. Management is confident margins will hold through automation and operating leverage.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether non-MF revenue growth snaps back toward 30%, the exact quantum of the yield reset once price discussions conclude, and the pace of new AMC launches with Jio BlackRock, Angel, and Unifi all visible on the horizon.

The Core MF Engine: Growth, Share, and the Yield Question

• AUM doubling in 18 months: Equity assets crossed INR25 lakh crores, up from INR12 lakh crores in March/April 2023, a pace that management acknowledges cannot sustain with the same momentum indefinitely.
• MF revenue grew 28.5% on 38% AUM expansion, a standard yield-to-asset ratio that reflects the long-term 3.5% annual yield compression trend, though management warns the coming year will see a higher-than-usual reduction due to price changes on 1 or 2 large clients.
• SIP registrations climbed almost 50% YoY but were not as strong as Q2, with sentiment starting to correct in late September and the full quarter reflecting that settling pattern.
• Net registration share rose to 64% from 60%, and the unique investor base grew 31% versus the industry's 25%, evidence that CAMS is taking share even as the market moderates.
• Contract renewals are largely done: Almost all large, medium, and small contracts have been renewed on typical 3-year terms, with the large task belonging to 2024 and early 2025 now accomplished. The yield difference that remains on 1 or 2 customers carries a commitment to converge toward a negligible level over the next few years.
• Yield impact on revenue growth: For 20% AUM growth, the yield change would pull revenue growth down by 1 percentage point, at most 2, with the best case being no more than a 1-point drag. The impact will play out over FY26 across the next 3 to 4 quarters.
• Pricing philosophy is consistent: CAMS does not actively churn competitive bases by offering cheaper prices, and it sells at a premium to its installed base, a principle management says is about fairness to existing clients.

Kumar: "There is a consistent philosophy that we don't sell it any cheaper than we would do it to our base clients because that's just being unfair to your own base if you sell it any cheaper. So we sell it at a premium."

Competitive Wins and the Widening Moat

• Clean sweep on new mandates: CAMS won all 3 MF-RTA mandates on offer: Jio BlackRock (formally announced now, agreed earlier), Pantomath MF (an emerging but large AIF player), and Choice (a listed holding company with a large broking operation).
• First-ever competitive migration win: An existing AMC at a rival RTA chose to move to CAMS, an inbound inquiry where the client wanted to explore a change. The AMC is small, with annual billing of a few crore rupees, and CAMS will charge a premium. The name will be disclosed in the next week or two.
• 6 out of 7 new AMCs in recent times have chosen CAMS, bringing the total to 26 out of 50 AMCs. At least 3 are about to launch in the next 2 to 3 months, with Jio BlackRock, Angel, and Unifi visible on the horizon, and at least the first two expected to be scale players.
• Navi was also an inbound inquiry, not an active churn by CAMS, reinforcing the pattern of buyers being predisposed toward the platform.
• New AMC economics: New AMCs start making money for CAMS once they reach INR10,000 to INR15,000 crores in AUM. The philosophy is to take it slow in the first 1 to 2 years, help them grow, and then reach steady-state pricing, with significant revenue contribution from year 2 or year 3. For purely digital, passive-only AMCs, the breakeven threshold could be much lower, though management has never seen an AMC exactly like that barring Navi to an extent.

Kumar: "I think winning 6 out of the 7, including the very prestigious deal to win, which was Jio BlackRock, is very, very pleasing."

Non-MF: The Diversification Engine

• Revenue compression to 22% growth from 32% last quarter was attributed to market conditions, but management believes the intrinsic foundational components (product, sales, delivery technology) are in place to get back to 30%+ very quickly. A single quarter should not be read into too much.
• The 20% mix target: Management is reasonably confident of reaching 20% non-MF share of overall revenue within 5 years (another 2 to 3 years from now). Mathematically, non-MF needs to grow at more than 30% to get there, and management has visibility to do that, with new logo wins building an annuity base that grows along with the clients. An inorganic acquisition could also help along the way.
• CAMSPay grew revenue 53% despite a slowdown in consumer investments, driven by digital payments. 24 new logos were added in Q3, including some real scale clients. A sequential revenue decline was a one-off due to annual maintenance revenue from NPCI that was higher in the prior month; UPI autopay transactions actually increased.
• CAMS KRA grew 27% despite a slowdown in new account opening (MF folios, demat accounts, F&O accounts), continuing to take share and grow revenue ahead of the market. The business is tightly coupled to capital markets account opening, so a sustained slowdown in demat account creation could compress KRA demand.
• Insurance repository scaled from INR5 lakh policies a quarter to INR10 lakh, with a second life insurer (Star Union Dai-Chi) opting to give 100% of its policy base. Management expects 1 or 2 more deals of this kind in the year and aims to reach INR15 lakh policies a quarter. Revenue growth of 12% YoY despite strong policy pickup reflects the split between platform-based repository revenue and labor-based outsourcing revenue; the real kicker will come as policies move from INR1 crore to INR2 crores, with platform attributes (common infrastructure, costs staying almost flat as users double or triple) starting to play out perhaps 6 months from now.
• Alternatives and GIFT City: 21 new clients were added in alternatives, and the GIFT City office now seats over 50 people with 25 clients managing over USD 1 billion in AUM. Domestic AIF and GIFT City is perhaps a 20% growth market in AUM, not 30% to 35%, and management is confident of delivering a baseline 20% revenue growth in AIF over the coming quarters.
• Think360 and analytics: Won a TSP++ analytics mandate from one of the top banks in the country on a long-term 3-year contract with fixed billing terms, plus an account aggregator, TSP, and analytics mandate from another large-scale bank. Building Gen AI-led ad-surveillance solutions for regulators to spot influencers making claims or financial service houses making incorrect product claims.
• CeyBank, the first international contract: An inbound inquiry from Sri Lanka, won against competition, going live by April. It will bill a few crore rupees a year and is not positioned as a big global entry, but management notes it won in a market CAMS does not even cover and where it has no sales force.

Kumar: "This is not just some area of, what I would say, marginal work. It's becoming core work."

Margin Trajectory: Creeping Up, With Levers to Protect It

• EBITDA margin at 47%, up 220 bps YoY and slightly higher than the prior quarter, aided by cost control and operating leverage despite large investments in technology, data centres, security, talent, and core platform re-architecture. PAT margin at 32.6%, up 300 bps YoY.
• The margin creep-up is structural: Over the last 3 to 4 years, margins have crept up more than 100 bps on a yearly basis. Management used to guide around 40% margin and is now clocking 47%. The business model inherently ensures profitability creep-up, though management does not expect a margin of more than 50%.
• Two levers protect profitability against yield pressure: (1) A lot of automation is already done (e.g., SIP triggers do not require incremental cost), so not all AUM growth requires additional manpower. (2) Non-MF businesses are between 10% and 15% EBITDA, and nothing prevents increasing this toward 20% plus EBITDA in the next year, given steady state has been reached in some of these businesses.
• Expense outlook is stable: Next quarter, expenses are expected around INR195 to INR196 crores other than depreciation, with probably a couple of crores increase. The year after, barring salary increases, no big expense is expected in opex, though capex will continue for the Rearc platform, SEBI compliance, and IT infrastructure. Q3 quarter-on-quarter expense growth was muted, especially on salary cost, despite talent infusion from IITs, IIMs, and senior hires.
• The platform cost advantage: CAMS has over INR9 crore folios with balances and about INR1,200 crore plus in overall AUM. Revenue per folio per year comes to about INR130, and it is a falling cost, a structural advantage that widens as the base scales.

Charan: "If you remember, when we did these calls for the first 1 or 2 years, we used to say that we guide a margin of around 40% and a good year probably 42%, 43%. Now in the last couple of quarters, we are clocking margins of 47%. So there is an inherent way in which we run the business as well as the business model, which ensure that there is a creep-up in profitability that happens."

The Micro-SIP Bet and the Next Decade

• Micro-SIP (INR250 SIP) is positioned as a foundational building block, analogous to how the normal SIP changed the market over the last decade starting in 2014-2015. Management is extremely bullish on the overall market impact.
• CAMS is offering a one-time beneficial rate regime for KYC and SIP triggers for micro-SIP customers, and is confident of scaling in partnership with the marketplace.

Charan: "Think of it as a foundational building block. Just like you saw the normal SIP changed the market in these 10 years, let's say, in 2014, 2015, think of this small ticket SIP to be the next change agent for the next decade."

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