Canarys Automations Ltd Q1 FY2025 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Best year, but working capital stretched: FY24 was a milestone year with IPO, 78 new logos and INR123 crores of fresh order booking, yet debtor days ballooned to 310 days as government water-resource contracts with back-ended payment terms dominated receivables.
• The order book is the bull case: A disclosed INR420 crores order book, multi-year contracts and a pending North American acquisition give revenue visibility, but the realization pattern is uneven and the acquisition's book is not yet included.
• A solutions pivot is underway: Ten new DevOps solutions, marketplace subscriptions and proprietary water-resource IP are shifting the mix away from pure services, a move management argues lifts retention and annuity revenue.
• Margins face a cash-flow tug-of-war: Management hopes to maintain or grow margins, but the government-heavy receivables profile and planned debt-funded acquisition will keep working-capital management in focus.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether the North American acquisition closes and its order book gets quantified, any improvement in debtor days, and the conversion rate on the Jal Shakti tender pipeline.

Demand & Order Book

• Record order booking: INR123 crores booked as of June 24, spanning three to four years, driven by the solutions approach and entry into mining, petrochemical and aviation.
• Total disclosed backlog: INR420 crores, comprising multi-year contracts of three to four years, including a recent three-year cloud transformation deal with a North American healthcare company.
• Revenue realization is lumpy: Small contracts realize 100% in year one, medium contracts split 60-40, and multi-year contracts follow a 30-35-35% pattern over three years, so the backlog converts to revenue gradually.
• Water-resource tender selectivity: The company now prefers tenders with 65-35 or 75-25 payment terms over the older 40-60 structure, a deliberate shift to protect cash flow as it participates in state-government and ADB-funded Jal Shakti projects.

Management: "Also, to add to Sheshadri information, we have become kind of choosy because the older payment terms are 40-60 as Raman explained. So, we are participating in tenders which have good payment terms like 65-35, 75-25."

Water Resource Management

• A 14-year niche: The company has completed 18 projects over 14 to 15 years in canal modernization, flood early warning and irrigation SCADA gate control, giving it domain knowledge that helps win competitive tenders.
• Proprietary stack: Hardware sensors are imported from the US, North America and Europe, while the software is a proprietary Decision Support System delivered through a Supply, Install, Test and Commission model.
• Addressable market math: Per management, roughly nine crore hectares are available for canal modernization at about INR32,000 per hectare, implying a total market of approximately INR50,000 crores even at 50% penetration.
• Adjacent expansion under evaluation: The company is studying entry into wastage reduction, leakages, recycling and desalination within water resource management.

Sheshadri Srinivas: "According to the census and the government data, what is available in public, you have around nine crores' hectares. And each hectare, you need about 32,000 to modernize the channels, right? So, if you look at even 50% of the total market availability, it is about INR50,000 crores."

IT Services & Solutions Pivot

• From services to solutions: The company has moved from custom application development to a solutions-led model with built frameworks and marketplace offerings, which it says increases customer trust, retention and annuity business.
• Ten new DevOps solutions: Released in FY24, these helped acquire roughly 7% to 8% more business and penetrate large enterprise accounts in BFSI, manufacturing and automobile.
• Proprietary differentiation: Frameworks can analyze existing legacy code and recreate business rules without rewriting entire applications; cloud optimization tools can reduce capex by 20% to 30% by identifying gaps and leakages.
• Marketplace traction: Around 20 solutions are available, many subscription-based and some one-time use, with named offerings including DevOps Sparkboard, Copy Project, GitHub SmartBoard and Clone Project.
• Partnership ecosystem expanding: New OEM partnership with LambdaTest, deepened GitLab relationship, became a solutions partner of SAP and was named a solutions partner of IRPA; also achieved GitHub Advanced Security Certified Partner status, a tier with very few partners.

Sheshadri Srinivas: "We have frameworks which can analyze the existing code base, which can really recreate all the logic of the business rules, what are written in the existing legacy applications."

North American Acquisition

• Majority-stake deal: A non-binding term sheet is signed to acquire a 20-year-old, profit-making IT services business in North America focused on BFSI and healthcare/pharma customers.
• Order book additive: The target's order book is not included in the disclosed INR420 crores figure, so consolidation would lift the total backlog.
• Land-and-expand logic: The acquisition is the vehicle for North American expansion, bringing large enterprise logos in BFSI that Canarys can cross-sell its solutions into.
• Financing mix: The company plans to fund the deal through debt, internal accruals and a recently called warrants issue; valuation will be disclosed only post-acquisition.

Financial Health & Receivables

• Debtor days spike: Debtor days rose from 206 to 310, driven by government water-resource contracts where payment is split: 20% on equipment delivery, 20% on installation, and the remaining 60% paid over five years.
• BOQ-driven overdues: The Bill of Quantities component often exceeds 40% of the contract value and must be built to claim GST and statutory credits, which shows up as overdue bills even when the payment cycle is contractually normal.
• Receivables composition: Of INR64 crores outstanding, INR12.86 crores is from software (almost all less than six months old), with the rest from water resource projects, per a belated disclosure to an analyst.
• Capex commitment: INR9 crores planned for infrastructure over the next two years and INR11.2 crores for solution development over the next three years, characterized as recurring capex.

People & Investment

• Headcount growth planned: The company intends to increase headcount by 20% to 30% this year, focused on solution capabilities and releasing more solutions to market.
• AI/ML investment: Management committed to investing heavily in artificial intelligence and machine learning, building solutions aligned with OEM partnerships including Microsoft, GitHub, SAP and GitLab.
• Leadership build-out: Building top-notch technology and leadership teams is a stated priority alongside industry and technology solution development.

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