Hindware Home Innovation Ltd Q4 FY2023 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Solid FY23, Q4 margin recovery: Consolidated revenue grew 25% for the year, and Q4 EBITDA margins rebounded to 11.7% after a first half hit from gas prices and PVC resin collapse.
• Bathware and pipes drove the top line: Both segments grew revenue 29% in FY23, with pipes achieving this despite a steep fall in PVC prices, driven by a 40%+ volume CAGR and CPVC mix shift.
• Consumer appliances is the margin drag: The division remains a market-share play, with Q4 pressured by input costs and seasonal discounting; management expects the pressure to continue for another 1–2 quarters.
• A 100–200 bps margin unlock is the core self-help story: Management is targeting a 1%–1.5% consolidated EBITDA margin improvement over 12–18 months, driven by insourcing, operating leverage, and a narrowing cost gap in pipes.
• What to watch next quarter: The pace of the sanitaryware manufacturing restructuring and its short-term impact, the consumer appliances CEO appointment, and any further decline in PVC prices that could create fresh inventory losses.

The Margin Recovery Plan

• Consolidated target: With 18%–21% top-line growth, management expects to unlock 1%–1.5% of overall EBITDA margin in the next 12–18 months from a Q4 FY23 base.
• Bathware margin lever: The core strategy is insourcing and restructuring manufacturing: shifting larger pieces inside the factory, moving Chinese imports to Indian vendors, and outsourcing basic products domestically, a move expected to add 100–200 bps over 12–24 months.
• Near-term bathware tailwind: No further price hikes are needed as input prices have slightly declined; margin release will continue as current inventory, produced at lower costs, flows through, though some higher-gas-price inventory will still dilute results in the next 1–2 quarters.
• Pipes margin lever: Around 1% margin improvement is feasible from operating leverage as the business scales, and the employee-cost gap versus competitors, currently 4%–5% higher, is expected to narrow by ~1% per year, reaching parity in 3–4 years.
• Sanitaryware restructuring cost: A short-term impact is expected in Q1 and Q2 FY24 due to the changeover in manufacturing processes.

Sandeep Sikka: "Going forward, we feel that with the growth, which we have given guidance that we should grow by 18% to 20%-21% in both the businesses.. We should be able to unlock around 1% to 1.5% overall EBITDA margin in the next 12 to 18 months period."

Segment Health & Strategy

Bathware (Sanitaryware & Faucets)

• FY23 performance: Revenue grew 29% for the year and 18% YoY in Q4, surpassing industry performance, driven by growing customer loyalty and a new faucet launch that did over ₹125 crore in its first year.
• Growth drivers: Volume and mix change are the engines; higher growth is expected from faucets than sanitaryware, while within sanitaryware, the mix is shifting toward larger, higher-ASP products like one-piece models.
• Faucet market share: The company gained share from both organized and unorganized players, growing at 40%–45% while being one of the fastest-growing faucet companies in the last two years.
• Capacity utilization: Sanitaryware is healthy at ~91%–92%, while faucet utilization is a conscious ~45% as the company develops outside vendors; utilization is expected to improve from Q3 onwards as new in-house products come through.
• Import reduction: Chinese imports, currently 16%–18% of the sanitaryware business, are targeted to decline further in FY24 as insourcing progresses.

Sudhanshu Pokhriyal: "I think when you grow a market at 45%, 50%, that kind of range, 40%, 45%, then you don't gain only from the unorganized sector. I think you gained from even organized sector players."

Pipes & Fittings

• FY23 performance: Revenue grew 29% for the year and 7% YoY in Q4, with an 11% sequential jump, achieved despite a steep fall in PVC prices that caused ~₹43 crores of inventory losses over the first three quarters.
• Volume and mix story: Volume growth was driven by the remarkable performance of CPVC products, which now contribute over 45% of total pipes revenue and 52% of Q4 sales, up from 42% in Q3.
• Q4 realization: Realization improved ~11% QoQ due to the absence of inventory losses and the higher CPVC contribution.
• Capacity expansion: A brownfield expansion at Hyderabad commenced production in January 2023, bringing capacity to 48,000 metric tons; a third plant's groundbreaking was completed, with commercial production expected by December FY24 or Q1 FY25.
• Product expansion: The company forayed into PTMT faucets and accessories and partnered with Reliance Worldwide Corporation to introduce multilayer composite pipes under the brand 'TRUFLO SharkBite,' expanding the total offering to more than 2,000 SKUs.

Rajesh Pajnoo: "This is our fourth year, which we have completed in the market. ... we have taken a strategic decision that we need to grow fast. ... Ours CAGR is more than 40%. So, for this, you need to have employees, you need to have employee expenses."

Consumer Appliances

• FY23 performance: Revenue grew 16% to ~₹501 crore with EBITDA of ~₹25 crore; Q4 top line was ~₹128 crore with EBITDA of ~₹4 crore, impacted by a challenging macro environment, elevated raw material prices, and overall inflation.
• Strategic posture: The industry is highly fragmented with no leader, and management is prioritizing market capture over margins, stating margins can follow once scale is built.
• Water heater drag: Q4 created a loss because the company diluted inventories and gave higher discounts to rotate money due to seasonality, resulting in a higher quantum of money going out of the business.
• Leadership gap: A new CEO for the consumer division is being finalized and is expected by the end of this quarter or the middle of next quarter.
• Growth target revised: The earlier guidance of ₹1,100–1,200 crore by 2025 is now expected to take another year, with ₹1,000 crore+ targeted by 2027 based on current market conditions.

Sandeep Sikka: "Our initiatives and our thought is to capture the market first. Margins can always follow through."

Balance Sheet & Capital Allocation

• Working capital: Net working capital days and net bank debt reduced from Q3 FY23, driven by insourcing imported products, rationalizing balance inventory, and renegotiating credit terms with vendors; an internal target of a further ~10% reduction is set, with a 20% reduction targeted over 18–24 months.
• Debt reduction: The company expects to repay ~₹100 crore of debt in FY24, which could be higher if working capital is squeezed further, despite taking on long-term debt for the Roorkee expansion.
• Optimal leverage philosophy: Management does not aim to be debt-free, targeting a range of 1x to 1.5x, viewing debt as the cheapest source of capital for building long-term value.
• FY24 capex: Overall planned capex is ~₹250–300 crore, with the pipe plant as the major spend; sanitaryware capex will be ~₹30–40 crore, focused on brand stores and efficiency investments to improve ASP and margins.

Sandeep Sikka: "It is not our initiative to be debt free at all time. We strongly feel the company who is totally debt free doesn't have an adequate plan to grow. We'll always be at an optimal level of debt."

Competitive Moat & Market Position

• Bathware distribution and influencer network: The company is running a new IPL campaign, a dynamic media program for the luxury brand Queo, and influencer programs for both architects and plumbers, building a moat that management believes new entrants struggle to replicate.
• Pipes channel engagement: The strategy of engaging plumbers and plumbing consultants through multiple training sessions will be sustained in upcoming quarters to deepen the brand's connect.
• Barrier to entry: Management argues the business requires significant investment and knowledge to build confidence among plumbers, dealers, and consumers, and that in the last 24 months, no new entrant has gotten the full product mix right.

Sudhanshu Pokhriyal: "I truly believe that this is a business which requires lot of investment, lots to things to build this business, to build the confidence among plumbers, among dealers and to get the whole mix of products right. It requires a bit more knowledge about your consumer, your influencer, your dealer, then perhaps what some of the people have. ... in the last 24 months, I have not really seen anybody getting it right at this point in time."

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