Lancer Containers Lines Ltd Q1 FY2024 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Revenue fell 29% on freight rates, but margins nearly doubled: Gross margin jumped from 11.6% to 20.8% and EBITDA margin from 9% to 17.1%, as a 40% YoY increase in TEU capacity gave the company better negotiation power with slot operators, lowering its cost of operations even as revenue declined.
• The business model decouples revenue from profitability: Because lower revenue means paying lesser slot charges to vessel operators, EBITDA margins have only a small effect from freight rate changes, a dynamic management says keeps margins intact through cycles.
• A rapid capacity build-out is underway: The company plans to more than double containers within two years, reach 20,000-22,000 TEUs by FY24-end, and start vessel operations by January 2024, funded by sanctioned bank loans and FCCB proceeds.
• International expansion is accelerating: A new Dubai subsidiary, entry into North and East Africa, and plans for China, the Far East, the UK and the US aim to shift revenue mix toward international operations and reduce dependence on any single geography.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether the 35-40% revenue growth guidance materializes as new capacity deploys, the pace of the promised 50-60 bps EBITDA improvement, and any concrete update on the January 2024 vessel ownership deadline.

Revenue Decline & Margin Expansion

• Revenue linked to freight rates: Revenue de-grew 29% because freight rates have come down severely over the last two quarters; revenue is directly linked with the freight rate index.
• Margin jump mechanics: Gross margin rose from 11.6% to 20.8% and EBITDA margin from 9% to 17.1%. The driver was a ~40% YoY increase in TEUs, which gives better negotiation power with slot operators and reduces cost of operations. Management illustrated: previously charging INR100 to a customer and paying INR80 to the slot operator left INR20; with increased capacity, paying INR70 to the operator lifts the EBITDA margin from 20% to 30% on that capacity.
• Margin stability through rate cycles: Even when revenue comes down, margins are intact because the company pays lesser slot charges to vessel operators. EBITDA margins have only a small effect from freight rate changes.
• Margin upside in tight markets: Margins are typically 20-25% but can go up to 35-40% when there is a scarcity of containers for a particular location.
• Depreciation run rate: Depreciation jumped this quarter because most containers were added in the last quarter of FY23 and first quarter of FY24; the sustainable run rate is approximately ₹10 crores per quarter on a consolidated basis.
• Low tax rate explained: The 16.5% tax rate reflects a notional expense of ~₹2 crores in financial expenses, which is excessive interest that is not taxable.

Management: "See, in terms of revenue if you compare, of course we are very highly correlated with the freight rate globally, but if you can see my profit margins or EBITDA margins that has very small effect in terms of my margins if you compare because even if the revenue comes down I am paying lesser slot charges to my vessel operators. So my margins are intact and maintained to those levels which were before there previously."

Capacity Expansion & Fleet Strategy

• TEU growth trajectory: TEUs increased approximately 40% YoY due to capacity increase. The company plans to reach 20,000-22,000 TEUs by FY24-end, up from 14,000 currently, and more than double containers within two years.
• Container addition pace: The company is gradually increasing container inventory by adding 200 to 300 containers per month based on incremental demand from trade forwarders.
• Ownership over leasing: The company is going for owned containers rather than a lease model because bank finance is cheaper than leasing; only a very small portion is on lease.
• Payback flexibility: While the straight-line payback on new capex is five years, with good freight rates or detention income, payback can compress to about two years or even one year depending on the detention front.
• Capex funding in place: Bankers have already sanctioned the loan, and FCCB proceeds are also being used to add containers.

Vessel Operations

• January 2024 deadline: Management has set a strict deadline to start vessel operations by January 2024, with some part of revenue expected in FY24 itself.
• Dual-use plan: The vessel will either be chartered out or used for the company's own logistics, whichever sector is more lucrative. Charter rates run approximately \$14,000 per day; after ~\$4,000 in expenses, net daily income is ~\$9,000.
• FY24 completion: The entire capacity addition for containers and owning the vessel will be completed within FY24 itself.

Geographic & Vertical Expansion

• Dubai subsidiary: A strategic partnership with Dubai-based companies will enhance vessel operation services through a wholly owned subsidiary in Dubai, alongside a new acquisition of freight forwarding and liner operation companies.
• New regions: North Africa has already been added; the company is now looking at East Africa and some CIS countries freely available to trade. Longer-term plans include China, Far East nations, the UK and the United States, to be strategically designed and gradually added.
• ISO tank container division: A new subsidiary is being formed to handle tank containers for transporting liquid cargo across different countries, to be managed by a separate individual.
• International revenue mix shift: International operations revenue will increase as a percentage of overall revenue with capacity addition in Dubai, the Mediterranean, and African regions, plus the new vessel operations.
• Not India-centric: Even if India sees a 10% contraction in exports, containers keep moving across locations (Dubai, Malaysia, China) wherever there is cargo, so revenue and profitability can be maintained.

Management: "I think we've got plans to become number one in India as far as the capacity is concerned."

Guidance & Commitments

Unanswered Questions

• EBITDA per TEU: Management declined to provide an EBITDA-per-TEU figure or expected increase, stating that every container reaches a different location and an average would not present a correct picture at the micro level.
• Pricing power: When asked about the pricing power of the business model, management described the pricing process (varies by region and commodity; different pricing team; special rates need management approval) but did not directly address whether the company possesses or exercises pricing power.
• FCCB conversion and promoter stake: Management declined to comment on what portion of FCCBs will be converted or what level promoter stake would fall to upon full conversion, stating it is the bond holder's choice and they are not in a position to comment.
• Dividend: When asked about the absence of dividends for several years, management deflected by saying they are reinvesting in the company and noted that a bonus has been declared, which could be seen as a form of dividend.

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