Max Healthcare Institute Ltd Q1 FY2025 Concall Summary

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Key Takeaways


Brownfield Expansion & New Capacity

Soi: "I think growth in our existing hospitals is not a focus, growth in our existing hospitals is a necessity, because we have run out of capacity."

Margin Dynamics & Headwinds

Soi: "You would rather do a 20% margin on a Rs. 10 lakhs surgery than do a 50% margin on a Rs. 2 lakhs surgery, right? So, the percentage is irrelevant."

Asset-Light Strategy & Capital Allocation

Soi: "The question is how many hospital chains can offer this. Your own ROCEs have to be significantly higher than what you are paying out over there. In our situation, we are able to take up these hospitals because our ROCEs are significantly higher."

Clinical Mix & Payer Dynamics

Soi: "Insurance companies by the end of the day piggyback on what your schedule of charges is, what your rate list is for cash paying patients."

Network & Subsidiary Performance

Soi: "85% of our growth coming through going forward is coming through brownfield. So, it's your existing capacity that you are increasing."

Guidance & Commitments

CommitmentSpecificsTimeline
Dwarka break-evenEBITDA break-evenQ4 FY25 (6-9 months from launch)
Lucknow expansion140-bed addition and refurbishmentEnd of calendar year 2024
Lucknow new tower450-bed tower, ~₹700 crore plus investmentWithin 24 months
Nagpur bed addition~25 beds via internal reconfigurationQ3 FY25
Nagpur expansion115 beds on two additional floors, subject to EC approvalWithin 24 months of approval
Nanavati Phase I241 bedsEnd of this fiscal year
Max Smart (Saket)375 bedsQ1 FY26
Mohali Phase I155 bedsQ1 FY26
Sector 56, Gurgaon Phase I300 bedsQ2 FY26
Mohali built-to-suit250 bedsFY28
Immigration visa impactImpact from Jan 1 regulation changes persistsTill Q3 FY25; Q4 was the normal quarter
New hospitals ARPOBRise from ₹45,000 to ₹60,000-65,000In a year's time
Tax rate~22%Going forward

Key Metrics

MetricQ1 FY25
Network gross revenue₹2,028 cr, +18% YoY and +7% QoQ
Network operating EBITDA₹499 cr, +14% YoY and -1% QoQ; net of ₹6 cr one-time pre-launch charge for Dwarka
Profit after tax (PAT)₹295 cr, vs ₹291 cr in Q1 FY24 and ₹311 cr in Q4 FY24
Like-to-like network gross revenue₹1,929 cr, +12% YoY and +4% QoQ
Like-to-like operating EBITDA₹487 cr, +12% YoY and -2% QoQ
Like-to-like operating EBITDA margin26.5%
Like-to-like PAT₹316 cr, vs ₹291 cr in Q1 FY24 and ₹322 cr in Q4 FY24
Average occupancy77%, vs 74% in Q1 FY24 and 75% in Q4 FY24
Occupied bed days growth~5% YoY and ~2% QoQ
ARPOB₹80,100, +7% YoY and +3% QoQ
International patient revenue₹158 cr
Annualized EBITDA per bed₹74.7 lakhs, +6% YoY
Free cash flow from operations₹258 cr; ₹213 cr deployed towards capacity expansion and upgradation
Net cash position₹66 cr at end of June 2024
Max@Home revenue₹49 cr, +23% YoY and +6% QoQ
Max Lab gross revenue₹41 cr, +21% YoY and +6% QoQ
Lucknow and Nagpur combined revenue₹99 cr, +21% YoY
Lucknow and Nagpur combined operating EBITDA₹18 cr, +64% YoY
Lucknow and Nagpur ARPOB₹45,300
Lucknow and Nagpur annualized EBITDA per bed~₹30 lakhs
Lucknow and Nagpur average occupancy~60%
Tax rate26%; Q4 FY24 was 21.8%, management expects ~22% going forward
Institutional bed share mix27% overall, down from 29-30% range
IP revenue~₹1,600 cr, +21% YoY
IP volume growth~17% YoY
IP realization growth~3.5% YoY (per an analyst's math)
Immigration business footfallsDown 48% YoY
OP consults growth (existing hospitals)4.5% YoY, vs 13-14% in Q1 FY24
Dwarka pre-launch costs₹6 cr in Q1
Dwarka beds operational94 of 303 total
Dwarka break-even expectedWithin 6 to 9 months from launch
Lucknow oncology revenue shareLess than 2% of total revenue at Max Lucknow, vs 24-25% network average
Lucknow EBITDA increase post-acquisition~58% YoY in first three months
PSU business ARPOB improvement10% YoY
New hospitals ARPOB₹45,000; expected to reach ₹60,000-65,000 in a year
Existing hospitals ARPOB₹80,000
Shalimar Bagh bed capacity addition43%; inpatient volumes and occupancies rose 34-35%
Brownfield share of future growth85%
EBITDA per bed vs second-best player55% higher
ARPOB vs second-best player~20% higher
EmployeesClose to 30,000
Hospitals in network20, up from 17 in the last 5-6 years
Nursing college seats (Lucknow)~100