Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd Q3 FY2025 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Record profit, driven by reversals: Net profit surged on substantial LD and D-448 liability reversals from completed projects, not from a structural margin step-up.
• Order book poised for a step-change: Three additional P-75 submarines are "quite confident" before 31st March, and P-75(I) price bids are open with only MDL technically qualified, setting up a potential multi-year order influx.
• Management walked back the margin warning: The 12-15% PBT range is a general industry statement, not an FY26 forecast; next year's margins are expected to be healthy on the existing high-margin order book.
• Revenue growth will decelerate: With no further deliveries this year and only one or two next year, management envisages only marginal growth for FY26, not a decline.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether the three additional P-75 submarines are ordered by 31st March, the pace of P-75(I) commercial discussions, and any clarity on the Scorpene refit order.

The Reversal-Driven Quarter

• Project 15 Bravo closure: All deliveries are complete, with D-448 liabilities for the first ship settled and the second expected soon. This project contributed substantially to the quarter's profit.
• Submarine LD reversals: A reversal of approximately ₹142 crores from the fifth submarine (SM5) boosted profit. The first submarine's provision of roughly ₹100 crores remains under discussion because its LD cap was 2.5% versus 5% for later vessels.
• Sixth submarine delivered: Delivered in January, it will now be taken up for an LD waiver; as waivers are received, provisions will reverse.
• ONGC offshore provision: A new provision was created for liquidated damages on the first ONGC order, where the timeline was extended to 31st March without an LD waiver. This may be written back if a waiver is secured.
• Excess inventory provision: Provisions were created for excess inventory where the ship warranty period is complete and utilization visibility is unclear; these will reverse as items are used.

Sanjeev Singhal: "a normal margin for this kind of industry would be in the range of 12% to 15%. So we have always given this kind of a projection that a sustainable margin would be something around 12% to 15%."

The Order Book Inflection

• Three additional P-75 submarines: Management is "quite confident" the order will be in place before 31st March; from the company's side everything is done, with only final MOD and government approvals pending. These submarines will be built without AIP, which will be added later once integrated and tested.
• P-75(I) price bids opened: Only one technically suitable bid was submitted, by Mazagon Dock. Commercial discussions are expected to start soon, and if the process follows a normal pace, the order should be in place next financial year.
• AIP order in hand: A ₹1,768 crore order for the Air Independent Propulsion system was received in December, de-risking a critical technology for future submarine programs.
• AIP integration plan: Eventually all nine submarines will have AIP, but since the system is not yet integrated and tested, it is kept as an add-on item for now. The P-75(I) submarines require a higher-capacity AIP due to larger dimensions, which management says is only a matter of upscaling what is already developed and available.
• Order book math: The three deliveries (two in December, one in early January) are already reflected in the 31st December order book figure; the January delivery had no material impact.

Sanjeev Singhal: "We are quite confident about it, because from our side, everything has been done. So now it is only the final approvals which is pending with the MOD and government. There is sufficient time is there. We are quite hopeful that before 31st March, the order should be in place."

Margin Outlook: A Correction, Not a Warning

• The 12-15% statement was generic: Management explicitly stated that the 12-15% normalized PBT range is a general industry characterization, not a specific FY26 forecast. No margin decline is being projected for next year.
• FY26 margins to stay healthy: Next financial year will primarily draw on existing orders where margins are comparatively higher, so healthy margins are expected rather than the normalized range. No specific number was assigned.
• Existing order book stability: For orders already in hand, margins should remain at somewhat similar levels to current experience, barring exceptional items like LD reversals and depending on D-448 execution.
• Indigenization is margin-neutral: The initial investment required for indigenization will be countered by opportunities, so no significant impact on overall margins is expected in either direction.

Sanjeev Singhal: "None of these statements which you have made can be ascribed to me. I have never said Rs. 12,000 crores we are expecting this year. We have never said with respect to next year margins or there would be a margin decline. I have only replied that a normalized margin for our industry would be in the range of 12 to 15%."

Revenue Trajectory & Deliveries

• No further deliveries in FY25: Management does not expect any more deliveries this financial year.
• FY26 delivery outlook: Next financial year, one delivery is definite and there could be two.
• FY26 revenue guidance: Management does not envisage a revenue decline next year, but growth numbers have not been worked out and could be marginal. A 20% growth rate is not being projected.
• Submarine delivery schedule: From the date of order receipt, the first submarine takes six years, with each subsequent submarine adding one year.

Future Pipeline & Capacity Build-Out

• Next Generation Corvette (NGC): MDL has participated in the bid, but the price bid has not yet been opened. The Navy has not indicated when the tender will open; nothing is expected this financial year, with the price bid likely next financial year after technical evaluation.
• 17 Bravo and Next Generation Destroyers: Firming up at the Naval end has not yet taken place. Management expects these two projects to fructify in 2 to 3 years.
• Scorpene refit order: The decision still rests with the Navy; a decision is expected next financial year.
• P-76 project: Management declined to share any update.
• Capacity expansion: Two CAPEX programs are underway: adjacent land with a graving dry dock, and the Nhava Yard as a full-fledged shipyard with a graving dry dock. The DPR should be ready by mid-year, followed by EPC tendering; environmental clearance uncertainty makes this a slightly long process. Major CAPEX may not be incurred in FY25-26, though a floating dry dock would be ready.
• Export progress: A small amount of export to Malaysia has begun, supporting their submarines at a very small scale. Foreign delegation visits are steps toward conversion, but they take time due to bilateral issues.

Vasudev Puranik: "The submarine design has already been made and it is available. There is no problem at all."

Pushback & Unanswered

• Rafale and three Scorpene submarines rumor: On a question about a contract being signed during PM Modi's France visit, management declined to comment.
• Goa Shipyard listing: Management corrected that Goa Shipyard is an associate (47.21% holding), not a subsidiary, with no management control, just an investment.
• Yard capacity and fresh order gains: When asked about capacity expansion status and potential gains from fresh submarine and P-75(I) orders, management deflected, saying they had already replied to both queries.
• AIP redesign risk: An analyst questioned whether ThyssenKrupp's AIP, demonstrated on a smaller submarine, would require a complete redesign for the Navy's larger specifications, potentially lengthening delivery. Management asserted it is only a matter of upscaling what is already developed; the design is already made and available, with no problem at all.
• Budgetary constraints: Management sees no dearth of funding; as proposals get firmed up, they are confident they will convert into orders.

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