Quess Corp Ltd Q1 FY2025 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Resilient Q1 with record revenue run rate: Revenue touched an annualized INR 5,000 crores for the first time in a seasonally weak quarter, while margins improved year-on-year despite headwinds in workforce management.
• Workforce management margin dipped to 2.4%: The 18 bps sequential decline was driven by wage inflation, a mix shift toward lower-margin general staffing, and planned sourcing investments, with recovery expected as IT staffing rebounds.
• Foundit burn reduction on track: Operating metrics surged (job postings up 76% YoY, profile updates up 250%) and sales grew 30% YoY, keeping the platform on plan for full-year break-even after a negative INR 55 crores EBITDA last year.
• Demerger process advancing: The three-way split announced in February is progressing through regulatory approvals, with completion targeted by Q1 next year, a 12-to-15-month timeline management still holds.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether IT staffing headcount growth sustains and pulls WFM margins back toward 4%, whether Foundit’s spiking operating metrics convert into revenue at the same pace, and the shape of budget-linked employment schemes when guidelines drop.

Workforce Management: The Margin Story

• Headline margin dipped on mix and inflation: EBITDA margin fell to 2.4% from 2.6% sequentially as general staffing added robustly while IT staffing and overseas staffing grew only modestly, and annual wage inflation landed in Q1 as normal.
• Three drivers of the sequential drop: Planned investments in sourcing capability to accelerate net hiring through the sourcing channel, early wins in manufacturing job spots, and the standard Q1 wage inflation cycle.
• General staffing manufacturing slowed: Only 4,000 net adds during the quarter as free flow of talent was disrupted by general elections, though open mandates and internal capability make manufacturing a key focus driver ahead.
• IT staffing showing green shoots: Open mandates rose between Q4 and Q1, net headcount added 300-plus in the quarter, and ITeS onboarding increased about 40% sequentially, signaling a recovery management expects to firm up in H2.
• International IT staffing muted: Singapore, the largest overseas IT staffing market, is nearly flat due to upcoming elections and restrictions on expat recruitment; management expects it to open by Q4.
• Gross margin to EBITDA conversion stable: Conversion remains around 65-67%, a range held for the last four to six quarters, with revenue growth in general staffing carrying roughly 70% from wage increases and 30% from sales mix.
• PAPM range holding: Per-associate-per-month realization has stayed consistently between 670 and 700, with sourcing capability and technology deployment (DASH+) providing an edge to maintain net realization despite cost pressure at renewals.

Guruprasad Srinivasan: "As we move forward we will definitely recover some basis points about 20 basis points back in margins because IT staffing is opening up and we are seeing green shoots as the mandates have gone up."

Foundit: Burn Reduction and Break-Even Path

• Cash burn significantly reduced: Foundit cut losses year-on-year as sales grew 30% and operating metrics moved sharply positive, though sequential burn increased slightly due to higher marketing spends.
• Operating metrics surged after product relaunch: Job postings rose 76% year-on-year, profile updates jumped from 0.38 crore to 1.34 crore (250% up), and recruiter-based consumption grew 12% sequentially, driven by the new AI-driven Foundit 2.0 platform.
• Full-year break-even is the firm plan: After a negative INR 55 crores EBITDA last year, management is committed to turning break-even on a full-year basis this year, with confidence drawn from both demand-side and supply-side activity picking up on the platform.
• Revenue growth guidance is high but not at metric-growth pace: Management expects a high-growth year significantly above the 30% delivered in Q1, with a similar trend continuing in subsequent quarters, though revenue growth is not expected to match the 85-94% spikes in operating metrics.

Sekhar Garisa: "Whole of last year we had a negative INR 55 crores EBITDA and this year the plan firmly is to turn break-even on a full year basis."

GTS Platform: CLM Strength, EXM Seasonality

• Revenue nearly flat sequentially: The high base from year-end activities in Q4 meant GTS revenue was broadly stable, with CLM continuing healthy growth across domestic and international mix.
• Collections business slowed seasonally: After peaking in Q4, the collections vertical saw a seasonal slowdown in Q1, a normal pattern.
• EXM vertical declined on one-time comp: The platform services EXM business dropped sequentially because Q4 had included year-end one-time vouching activity that did not repeat.
• Leadership appointment: Gurmeet Chahal joined as CEO of the Quess GTS platform and will eventually lead the Digitide entity post-demerger.
• DASH+ launched: The new platform provides learning and development, skilling and assessment, and financial inclusion products to the associate base.

OAM: Telecom Infra and Margin Rationalization

• Year-on-year margin improvement: Higher contributions from the telecom infrastructure business and rationalization of low-margin accounts in the security business drove the improvement, even as sequential margin dipped.
• Sequential dip from seasonality: Loss of business due to seasonality in F&B and telecom, plus a slowdown in 5G deployment, caused the sequential margin decline.
• Telecom infra grew marginally: 5G deployment was seasonally slower in Q1, limiting sequential growth.
• Security services margin expanded: Realization was nearly flat, but the business registered appreciable margin expansion by rationalizing a few low-margin contracts.
• Sales capacity added: The business added sales capacity across the country, reflected in about 27 contracts signed in ACV terms.
• Core-to-associate ratio stable: The ratio has hovered between 98 and 110 for more than a year, with no margin implication.

Demerger: Timeline and Rationale

• Process on track: The scheme, announced in February, is a mirror shareholding structure; stock exchange approval is awaited, after which the NCLT application will be filed.
• 12-to-15-month timeline holds: Management remains hopeful of completing the demerger by Q1 of next year, consistent with the original timeline.
• Rationale is strategic clarity: The demerger enables defined capital allocation strategy for each business, flexibility to pursue independent strategies, and clarity on investment thesis for shareholders.
• Best year before demerger: Management expects this financial year to be the best year for Quess before the split takes effect.

Budget Schemes and Policy Tailwinds

• Government schemes target formal employment: Multiple packages focus on formal employment creation in manufacturing, participation of the event workforce, and skilling, including direct benefit transfers to employees staying in the formal workforce for at least one year and employer participation for hiring and training freshers.
• Implementation expected from October: Schemes are set to start as budget conclusion and rollout happen, with Quess positioning to partner with the government for formal job creation during this financial year.
• Margin addition expected but unquantified: Some schemes involve direct benefit transfers to employees, others cover EPFO contributions to employers, both of which should add to company margins, but quantification awaits detailed financial guidelines.
• Fine print still being developed: Financial guidelines and rules for various schemes are awaited, and models need to be created before the financial impact can be assessed.

Kamal Pal Hoda: "Margin definitely, when these schemes are implemented, it should definitely add to the margins, because some of these schemes are like Guru explained, direct benefit transfer to employees. Some of these schemes are also towards the EPFO contribution to the employers. So this will definitely add to the overall company margin. But the quantification as we said, we'll have to wait for the detailed guidelines."

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