Redington Ltd Q3 FY2025 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Record quarter, broad-based growth: Revenue hit INR 26,764 cr (up 14% YoY) and profit reached INR 400 cr (up 17% YoY), with every business unit contributing and OPEX growing only 1%.
• Cloud is the standout engine: The Cloud business unit grew 42% top-line, carries a higher margin profile than other segments, and demands less working capital, making it the highest-ROCE business.
• Turkey turned the corner: Arena moved from significant losses in Q1 to a small profit in Q3 as revenue decline narrowed to ~5%, working capital improved, and headcount dropped 15%.
• Margin structure is stable but under pressure: EBITDA guidance held at 2.3% to 2.5%, yet large deals in Technology Solutions are eroding gross margin and factoring costs spiked, both flagged as trends that may persist.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether the Paynet divestment closes in Q4 as expected, the trajectory of Technology Solutions gross margin as more big deals land, and any demand softness in March from Middle East festivities.

Cloud & Software: The Margin-Rich Growth Engine

• 42% top-line growth drove the quarter, powered by Hyperscaler business and subscription software across India, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Africa and Turkey.
• Margin profile is structurally superior: Cloud Solutions carries higher percentage margins than Technology Solutions, PC, and Mobility, while requiring no inventory, which produces much better ROCE.
• The next leg up is professional services: Management wants to grow the business faster and capture more driving consumption workloads and professional services, which are the higher-margin parts of an already high-margin segment.
• Data center demand is a tailwind: Equipment purchases for data center capacity creation are flowing through both direct large deals and mid-market demand in India and UAE.

Hariharan: "The margin profile of the Cloud Solutions business from a percentage perspective, it is higher than the Technology Solutions today and it's definitely higher than the PC group, and quite higher than the Mobility group. So, the margin profile is definitely very interesting. We just need to grow this business faster, and get more of the driving consumption workloads and professional services, because those are higher-margin parts of the business."

Turkey Turnaround: Arena Moves to Profit

• Revenue decline narrowed sharply: Degrowth fell to ~5% in Q3 from double digits in Q1 and Q2, with the PC decline flattening and software (10-15% of Turkey business) growing well on enterprise and government consumption.
• Profit swing was decisive: Arena posted a significant loss in Q1, a loss in Q2, and turned positive in Q3, helped by lower working capital costs as inflation eased below 45% and Lira rates were cut to 45%.
• Balance sheet repair is underway: Net debt fell from \$153 mn at end-Q1 to \$137 mn at end-December, working capital days came down, aged inventory as a percentage of total inventory fell, overdues dropped, and headcount was cut ~15% from the start of the year.
• Paynet divestment is the next catalyst: Competition Commission approval is in hand; Central Bank approval is awaited, with management "very confident" of closure in Q4, though regulatory timing is uncertain. The transaction would reduce interest and finance costs, including factoring.

Krishnan: "We are keeping our fingers crossed. We also wish it will get done by this quarter. We are very confident. Let's see. See, since these are regulatory things, Nikunj, we can't answer this with certainty, but our expectation is this quarter."

Technology Solutions: Big Deals, Bigger Trade-Offs

• 28% growth was driven by strong enterprise demand and big deals across both India and the Middle East, with a range of hardware and software products contributing.
• Gross margin is eroding by design: A higher component of bigger deals is compressing gross margin, and more big deals are expected in coming quarters. Management accepts this as the new norm given increased competition for market leadership, and is addressing it through operational efficiency and working capital management.
• The defense is ROCE, not margin percentage: Large deals may require compromise on margin or working capital terms, but the company evaluates them on return on capital employed, not gross margin alone.
• Factoring costs spiked as a consequence: Factoring rose from INR 33 cr last quarter to INR 71 cr, mainly outside Arena, because some large deals carried higher credit and the company chose to sell those receivables. This is described as more one-off and may not sustain at the same level.

Geography: India and UAE Lead, Saudi Recovery Begins

• India grew 18% and UAE grew 26%, both powered by Technology Solutions, Cloud, and (in UAE) Mobility. Government and corporate investment in Cloud and AI drove UAE deal wins.
• Saudi Arabia is showing recovery on the value side: Budgets have been reprioritized around Vision 2030, with huge investments flowing into Technology Solutions and Cloud. Management sees clear optimism in how numbers will come back, led by government and corporate spending.
• Africa momentum continued, and the company entered South Africa, Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan over recent quarters, with South Africa making good progress in Q3.
• Rest of World PAT slowed due to higher interest costs, Turkey inflation-indexed depreciation, and new corporate taxes across Middle East markets pushing the weighted average tax rate to 23-25%.

Working Capital, Margins & Cost Discipline

• Working capital improved to 33 days, a 3-day improvement, though the jump from an abnormally low 25 days at end-September produced negative free cash flow for the quarter despite INR 3,000 cr of FCF in Q2.
• Steady-state working capital guidance is 35-40 days, and debt remains under control with gross debt/equity at 0.4x and net debt/equity at 0.2x.
• OPEX grew only 1%, far slower than revenue, as the company took out unnecessary costs while continuing to invest in Cloud, Technology Solutions, and Mobility. Management does not want to underinvest and risk future growth as the industry shifts toward services and technology.
• Inventory provision partially reversed: Higher provisions taken in Q1 and Q2 were partly reversed in Q3, and for the nine-month period, provisions broadly track the long-term average.
• EBITDA guidance held at 2.3-2.5%, with management confident of maintaining that band in the coming year.

Krishnan: "We had been talking about an EBITDA between 2.3% to 2.5%. We still feel that can be the trend as we move into the future."

Other Businesses & Forward Catalysts

• Mobility Solutions Group grew 9%, with premiumization driving demand in India: premium smartphone consumption has grown over the last two quarters on both Apple and Android. An AI-enabled smartphone refresh cycle is expected to sustain momentum.
• End Point Solutions Group grew 6%; the PC business is growing but not at the desired pace. Management expects more traction in coming quarters from high-end AI PCs and the Windows 10-to-11 refresh cycle as Windows 10 support ends.
• ProConnect has stabilized: Operations have been consistent and predictable for four quarters, with profitability now reliable. The target is to deliver integrated logistics with solutioning, including mission-critical areas.
• Solar business reset is complete: Regulatory changes (ALMM measures) required a business model readjustment and partnering with local solar panel companies; that transition has been executed.

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