SIS Ltd Q1 FY2023 Concall Summary

Source transcript PDF: https://www.stockscans.in/document/uih0puq66nyn4d4mqluf84yi.pdf

Key Takeaways


India Growth Recovery

Rituraj Sinha: "I am looking forward to possibly the best year of growth for FM in its history in FY2023. I am hoping that I did not say that too soon."

International Margin Reset

Rituraj Sinha: "The first thing that you must acknowledge is that the temporary high margin COVID work is going to go back to zero... revenue wise it will cancel out, but where it will really show up is that the margin of COVID-related work was definitely higher than the regular work... the international security particularly Australian revenues will stabilize but the margin will go back to 4.5% range."

Henderson: The Self-Funded Turnaround

Rituraj Sinha: "Net summary Henderson is a loss-making business as of today... the good news is that it has \$25 million not just to grow organically but also do inorganic stuff if it wants without needing any incremental additional capital from any of the group entities. So, it has enough money to fix itself."

Cash Business & Capital Allocation

Rituraj Sinha: "The important thing to note is that somehow SIS is valued on the SOTP basis, but the cash business is not valued at all, so that is also food for thought I guess at some point."

Technology & The Manpower Debate

Rituraj Sinha: "Back in 1948 when the first alarm was developed... the story goes... 'security guarding is going to go out of home very soon in 10 years' that was 1948 we are sitting in 2022 and this is a \$250 billion global market... I do not think that manpower element of security will evaporate completely it does not seem to be the trend in the last 70 years."

Guidance & Commitments

CommitmentSpecificsTimeline
India margin recoveryIndia security margins already moved up 20 bps QoQ; overall margins expected to move back to pre-COVID levelsNext few quarters
Gross margin rangeRevert to 5.5–6% rangeNot specified
International margin normalizationSettle at 4.5–5% range; India at 5.5–6%Three to four quarters
OCF to EBITDALower than 50% this year because rapid organic growth contracts free cash generationFY2023
Australia wage catch-up pressureMargin hit from paying higher wages before customer recoveryQ2, potentially Q3
Contract startup costsContinue to weigh on marginsNext few quarters, until growth normalizes
Deferred tax asset creationContinue at least at current pace if growth continues; group effective tax rate may approach zeroComing quarters
Henderson turnaroundSelf-funded rebuild using \$25M+ surplus cash; no group capital neededNo specific timeline

Key Metrics

MetricQ1 FY23
Revenue₹2,678 cr, highest ever quarterly revenue, +12.6% YoY
India security revenue growth+20.2% YoY
Facility management revenue growth+39.8% YoY
Gross margin77–78%, stable through COVID period
Employee benefit expense as % of revenue80% (per an analyst's math)
India security margin change+20 bps QoQ
Cash management business margin range12–15%
Cash business revenue growth~8% QoQ (Q1 FY23 vs Q4 FY22)
Cash business EBITDA increase22.2% quarterly increase Q1 vs Q4 on a normalized basis
International business normalized margin guidance4.5–5% EBITDA margin
India business normalized margin guidance5.5–6% EBITDA margin
Australia minimum wage hike4.5%, announced by labour government, vs typical 1–2.5%
Net debt to EBITDA1.5x
Deferred tax asset created~₹26 cr, almost all on account of 80JJAA
Buyback quantum₹80 cr, buyback price ₹550 per share
Cumulative shareholder returns (5 years)>₹250 cr returned via dividends and buybacks
India security June exit run rate₹365 cr
Facility management June exit run rate₹145–150 cr
Cash business June exit run rate₹43–44 cr
Overall June revenue including cash₹949 cr
Henderson surplus cash>$25 million on own balance sheet
SIS Ventures board allocation₹75 cr for investments into adjacent companies
One SIS revenue contribution<1% of monthly revenue, expected to reach mid-single-digit over time
Salesforce size>350 sales resources, meeting >2,000 prospective customers per month
Aspirational targets (since FY2018)20% growth, 20% ROE, 50% OCF to EBITDA