Ugro Capital Ltd Q4 FY2024 Concall Summary

Key Takeaways

• Capital raise resets the growth runway: A ₹1,332 cr infusion (CCD + warrants) covers capital needs for the next two years, letting management shift focus to a rating upgrade and lower borrowing costs.
• Profitability, not AUM, is the new North Star: Management declined to give a specific AUM target, instead anchoring the story to a 4% ROA ambition over 8-10 quarters, with PAT growth set to significantly outpace AUM growth.
• Foreclosures disrupted quarterly momentum: Quarterly growth slowed to 8% from an expected 15% due to higher-than-expected foreclosures, a function of intermediated sourcing that the company is now consciously reducing.
• A one-off write-off inflated credit costs: A ~₹10 cr write-off on an old unsecured loan caused a Q4 credit cost blip; management characterized it as a planned, one-off event rather than a portfolio deterioration signal.
• What to watch next quarter: Whether the branch expansion from 105 to ~400 over two years translates into the promised yield expansion, and if the shift away from DSAs can bring foreclosures under control.

The ROA Bridge: A 4-Part Plan

Management laid out a detailed bridge to take ROA from 2.3% to 4% over 8-10 quarters, with every quarter meant to demonstrate progress along that path. The plan rests on four components, two of which improve profitability and two of which partially offset those gains.

• Yield expansion via micro enterprises: Branch count is expanding from 75 to 150 now, targeting 250 by year-end and nearly 400 in two years. These branches are trained to sell higher-yielding secured products: ₹10 lakh secured loans, machinery loans, and solar rooftop loans. Micro enterprise loans as a percentage of AUM are expected to rise from 9% to 20%, contributing 0.9% to 1% of yield improvement.
• Cost of borrowing reduction of 75 bps: Management expects 50 bps to come from vintage, scale, and the capital raise improving their credit profile, with an additional 25-30 bps from a rate cycle turn. The CRISIL upgrade from A- to A/Stable in March is a first step; management expects another round of rating upgrade shortly once lenders absorb the fundraise.
• Operating leverage of 50 bps: The cost-to-income ratio has already declined from 62% to 54% as economies of scale catch up. Management targets a further decline to 40-45% over the next 8 quarters, driven by scale and improving productivity in micro enterprises, equipment finance, and direct channels.
• Credit cost increase of ~50 bps: Credit costs are expected to rise from 1.5% toward 2%, with next year's range guided at 1.8% to 2%. This is framed as a natural consequence of the portfolio mix shift toward higher-yielding segments, not a deterioration in underwriting quality.

Shachindra: "In 8 to 10 quarters, we want to achieve 4% ROA, and every quarter, we want to demonstrate our journey towards that."

Foreclosures and the Sourcing Model Shift

Foreclosures emerged as a negative surprise this quarter, cutting quarterly growth to 8% from an expected 15%. Management traced the problem directly to its reliance on intermediated channels and is now engineering a deliberate shift toward direct sourcing.

• The DSA trap: DSAs prioritize low rates and fast turnaround for their customers. UGRO wins business on turnaround time (in-principle approval in 60 minutes), but once the customer is acquired, competitors offer lower rates and the customer refinances away. UGRO's blended portfolio yield of 12.75-13% sits above the competition's 10.5%, making rate-based retention difficult.
• The fix is multi-product and direct: Management's strategy is to engage DSA partners with a multi-product offering while gradually becoming more competitive on pricing. Simultaneously, the intermediated channel share is targeted to fall from 50% to 45% by year-end, then toward 40% or sub-40% over the next 8 quarters, with an eventual goal of 30-35%. Absolute DSA volumes may not decline, but the focus is on growing the direct funnel faster.
• Foreclosures are originator-dependent: Management acknowledged that foreclosures are a function of how loans were originated, and they felt the pinch of that last year. The push toward direct sourcing is explicitly designed to own the customer relationship and reduce refinancing leakage.

Shachindra: "I want to tell DSAs: you are an important partner to us. But we would like to own the customer and service the customer need, and that is why we go in more direct."

Supply Chain Lending: Strategic Retreat

The supply chain lending book has been a drag on asset quality, and management is choosing to shrink it rather than fix it. The decision is rooted in a clear-eyed assessment of where UGRO can and cannot compete.

• The problem is structural, not cyclical: Higher GNPA in supply chain lending is partly a function of AUM growth, but also reflects a few bad apples and 1-2 anchors under post-Covid stress. Because management chose not to grow AUM in that space, GNPA looks higher as a percentage.
• UGRO was getting negative selection: The supply chain finance market has three legs. The first (vendor to anchor) is off-balance-sheet exposure to AAA-rated anchors at 7% yields, where UGRO cannot compete. The second (anchor to large distributor) already has bank facilities. UGRO was left with BBB- or BBB+ companies, a negative selection pool.
• The pivot to last-mile retailer finance: UGRO's strength is data-driven underwriting for small-ticket last-mile retailers, supported by physical distribution and collection infrastructure. The company has decided on an accelerated rundown of the existing supply chain portfolio and will progressively build a granular last-mile retailer finance book instead.

Shachindra: "Our strength is to understand data, underwrite basis that. UGRO's strength is then take the case to an underwriter who does a templated basis underwriting. Third strength is physical distribution and collection infrastructure which is today 105 branches going to almost 400 branches in next 2 years and we will play all our products to our strength rather than competing to the people who have balance sheet level strength."

Capital Raise: Structure and Shareholder Questions

The ₹1,332 cr capital raise (₹275 cr CCD + ₹1,057 cr warrants) drew pushback from analysts who questioned both the structure and the apparent favoritism toward new investors. Management defended the choices on strategic grounds while leaving the door open for retail participation.

• Why not a rights issue: Management argued a rights issue is time-consuming, cumbersome, and requires a severe discount not in the interest of existing shareholders. The chosen route delivers long-term capital with staggered dilution and lock-in.
• The diversification argument: Management deliberately avoided concentrated shareholding, citing the risk that a large shareholder exiting would put pressure on the stock. Samena Capital invested ₹500 cr through warrants from one large fund, but the broader intent was to diversify and democratize the shareholding base.
• Retail shareholders left out, then partially invited back: When asked if retail shareholders could participate, management initially declined. Later in the call, they softened: "we'll find a way to make sure that interested people if they want to come, they should be allowed to come."
• EPS dilution went unaddressed: An analyst calculated that even with 25% profit growth, post-dilution EPS would be only ₹19-20, which "will not be a good performance compared to our competitors." Management disputed the math without directly engaging the calculation, saying "you're not doing the math correctly" and offering an alternative 18% ROE framing on the higher networth base.

Shachindra: "We don't want to create concentrated shareholding. Concentrated shareholding means that at some point of time the concentrated shareholder would like to exit, and that puts big pressure on the stock. That's why we want to diversify and democratize our own shareholding."

MyShubhLife Acquisition and the GRO App Pivot

UGRO made two moves in its digital strategy this quarter: acquiring MyShubhLife at an attractive valuation, and pivoting its GRO app after RBI guidance blocked the original credit-on-UPI proposition for NBFCs.

• MyShubhLife acquisition: Acquired for ₹45 cr at 1.9x price-to-book, with the target carrying ₹23 cr of networth. Payment is 36% cash (to give exit to one investor) and 64% UGRO shares at the same price as the preferential allotment. Management projects ~₹1,500 cr AUM and ~₹100 cr incremental PAT by the end of the third year, with the existing management team aligned through ESOPs and a profit-share model.
• GRO app forced pivot: The core proposition of credit on UPI was blocked when RBI guidance restricted the facility to banks, not NBFCs. UGRO pivoted to an app where credit is available at a click, disbursed and recovered through NACH. Every customer is offered GRO X as an attachment. One large bank-equivalent lender is attempting to white-label the platform. Management expects RBI to eventually open credit on UPI to NBFCs; in the interim, they are monetizing the investment through these alternate routes.

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